What is it about Mailer's films that makes you so committed to getting them seen?
They are interesting films. Particularly Maidstone, which captures a certain apocalyptic spirit rampant in late sixties America better than other more celebrated films from the period. I think they have profound things to say about fiction, reality and the negligible difference between the two. If you are a cinephile or a film programmer or whatever, there's also this desire, I think, to go beyond the accepted canon of great works. Not to demote or forget about the canon--just an attempt to expand it and make new connections by retrieving what's been forgotten or lost.
Do you feel that film programming in New York has enough of that spirit of what you call going beyond the canon and chasing after movies that are personal for the programmer? Do you perceive any problems in the curating climate?
When you are programming films for an institution, having to contend with a board of directors, limited budgets, and maintaining some semblance of an audience, it's difficult to remain completely tied to personal vision. You'd last two seconds if all you showed were films that made you cry. A film programmer, above all else, should be charitable--programming the well-known alongside the untried while working to cultivate an audience for both. In its scope, vision and longevity, I think the most successful articulation of this was Amos and Marcia Vogel's Cinema 16. But that was many years ago in New York and things are certainly much different today, culturally speaking. In the face of TV, internet, DVD, and the accessibility to virtually everything, I think programmers here do a great job and still take a lot of risks. The only problem I can see is the lack of cooperation and coordination among venues. They program things on top of one another, dividing audiences. It becomes a competition which I don't think is good for the long-term health of film culture in the city.
You certainly seem freed from a lot of those restrictions for your show at Anthology. Talk a little about what you're screening and what we should get excited about.
In keeping with the 'Personal Archives' tradition, the Anthology show is a random assemblage of stuff. Clips from films by Glauber Rocha and Carmelo Bene, tributes to John Derek, Uncle Floyd, Amos Vogel, Pussy Galore, Mailer. An evening of unalloyed self-indulgence that I hope might be somewhat entertaining if people show up. Perhaps the thing I’m most excited about is a film which Peter Whitehead sent called Mia and Her Mouse that was shot in London in 1972 right about the time he was making Daddy with Niki de St Phalle. If you've seen that film you'll know what to expect. “Pungent and worrying” is how Peter describes it.
I have seen Daddy, but I can't say that it helps me anticipate what Mia and Her Mouse will be, but it totally peaks my interest. Taking a look at the list of stuff in this program, some of this has got to be protected by copyright. How are you getting away with this?
I might not get away with it so let’s try to be discreet. Fortunately, I have no assets to speak of so suing me wouldn't get anyone very far. Suing Anthology on the other hand. . . I imagine some malevolent body could flip that place and convert it into eco-friendly condos.
I think in the Colin McCabe book on Godard he talks about how some of Godard's work (like maybe Histoire du Cinema) is hard to see because of copyright issues, because he uses images from other films. McCabe suggests that everyone blatantly break copyright laws until the trespasses become too numerous to penalize.
Hear, hear to that. The Anthology show is my humble contribution to the cause.
What do we have to look forward to from Michael Chaiken?
A couple of things in the fall--- a tribute to actor/filmmaker Pierre Clementi at Lincoln Center and Jean-Gabriel and Quinto Albicocco at The French Institute. Also, with the Harvard Film Archive, I'm working on a retrospective of the films of British documentarian Dick Fontaine which I hope will happen next year.
Seen anything good lately?
A Time to Stir (Paul Cronin), Dream Minimalist (Marie Losier), Der Fan (Eckhart Schmidt)
Egg salad--yes or no?
Never.
What's your favorite novel from before the 20th century?
The Confidence Man
Anything else you want to talk about?
I think we've covered all the bases, no? Thanks, Nathan.
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For details about tomorrow’s Anthology screening, go here.
Chaiken’s “evening of unalloyed self-indulgence” will include:
For Yon Teenagers: Glauber & Juliet
Norman Mailer Survives Three Rounds with Jose Torres
The Last Emperor: Dennis Hopper
Virtual Sex: Klaus Kinski
Amos Vogel & Jonas Mekas: Reunited!
Pussy Galore Visits Uncle Floyd
The Celestial Ecstasies of William F. Buckley
D.A.F Tanz den Mussolini
Godard Visits Dick Cavett
70s Stunt Men: Jerry Lewis and Robert Goulet
Cinema Notre Temps: John Derek
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